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2005年04月16日

反日運動

が盛んということで騒ぎになっているみたい。
メディアは連日大変なことになっていると報道しているけれども実際のところ中国内での雰囲気はどんなものなのかつかめない。
もしかするとこのテのデモは色んな物事を対象として繰り返し行われていて、たまたま矛先が日本のデモがちょっと行われただけなのか。それとも12億人全員が一丸となって日本を目の敵と認識しているのか。

気になるので北京のオフィスに勤める中国人の同僚(?)にチャットで聞いてみた。
Q. デモ起きてるけどどんなかんじ?
A. 学生とか日本大使館に詰めかけて抗議してるみたいね

Q. デモが政府にサポートされて行われてるようなことはないの?
A. そんなことはない

Q. 政府はまともにデモを抑止しようとしないみたいだけど
A. 民衆の矛先が政府に向いては困るのであまり厳しくとりしまることができないの

Q. つまり、国民もそれを承知の上で安心して暴動を起こせると?
A. そういうこと。でも暴動ってほどひどいもんじゃなくて、もっとスマートに整列して行われてるよ。

Q. なんか日本のお店(イトーヨーカドー)が襲撃されたって話があるけど
A. そんな話はこっちでは報道されていないなー。政府は事を大げさにしたくないから報道規制してるはず。

Q. このテのデモはしょっちゅう起こるの?
A. そうでもない。でもときどき。前回大きかったのは米国相手にあったやつ。

Q. まぁ中国の意志としては日本は誠意を持って戦後補償に努めて欲しいと。
A. そゆこと。ドイツなんかはしっかり謝罪してるしね。日本も見習うべき。

Q. 君は参加した?
A. いや、してない。でも友達から一緒に行こう!って色々誘われた。

聞いただけで全貌がつかめたわけじゃないけれども、中国と日本で報道内容に随分と温度差があるのははっきりした。
平和を求ム。

16:42:08 Yngwie: hi Tony,
16:42:17 Tony: Hi, Yngwie
16:42:20 Yngwie: lemme ask some question,
16:42:25 Tony: Ok
16:42:26 Yngwie: it's not about WLS :p
16:42:32 Tony: :-)
16:42:47 Yngwie: some news resources say there are some demonstration against Japan
16:42:53 Tony: Yes
16:43:08 Yngwie: how's the situation like?
16:44:17 Yngwie: i'm not quite understanding but , it is said no one has been arrested regarding the demos,
16:44:36 Tony: Some students and people go to Japan embassy to protest Japan
16:44:39 Tony: Yes
16:44:40 Yngwie: and it is said the demos are supported by the government in some way.
16:44:54 Yngwie: i c
16:45:54 Yngwie: i'm not familiar with historical background, but i know we did bad thing in China in the past.
16:45:58 Tony: I think so because China govement don't want Japan be a member of UN permanant director
16:46:29 Yngwie: yeah, China gov can't say directory in order to keep the relationship ,
16:46:42 Tony: Yes
16:47:22 Yngwie: so government supports the demo indirectly ?
16:47:27 Tony: And because the Japan Govement always don't like to say sorry for World war II
16:47:44 Yngwie: by not suppressing the demos.
16:48:08 Tony: Yes.
16:48:22 Tony: And the govement can not suppress it too
16:48:50 Yngwie: do you think the gov "can not" suppress?
16:48:58 Tony: Otherwise, the govement will be lose the support of China people
16:49:07 Tony: It is not like 1989
16:49:16 Yngwie: it is said that the gov doesn't try to suppress the demos , in Japan.
16:49:33 Yngwie: i c
16:49:34 Tony: It is similar as 1998, the US bomb China embassy
16:49:41 Yngwie: yup
16:50:06 Tony: It is not protest China govement, so the govement can not suppress it
16:50:11 Tony: :-)
16:51:29 Yngwie: so the government is trying to keep the wants to keep the national loyalty by not suppressing them
16:51:48 Tony: Yes
16:52:28 Tony: It is a good chance for govement to keep loyalty I think
16:52:35 Yngwie: who has the root-initiative of the demos?
16:53:18 Yngwie: by citizen ? or by the gov?
16:53:29 Tony: By citizen
16:53:31 Tony: From network
16:54:18 Yngwie: ic
16:54:42 Yngwie: colud it be controlled by the government ?
16:55:12 Tony: I don't think it controlled by govement.
16:55:18 Yngwie: i c
16:56:34 Yngwie: Japan should take initiative to support WW victims and say sorry about that politely...
16:56:43 Tony: Yes
16:56:50 Tony: Just like German
16:57:00 Yngwie: but the way China government is not reasonable, i think
16:57:24 Tony: It is difficult for govement to controll it
16:57:31 Yngwie: i c
16:57:43 Yngwie: to me, it is very unusual
16:57:49 Tony: If they suppress it, the peaple will protest govement and things will be serious
16:57:53 Tony: Yes
16:58:13 Tony: For general people, we don't like politics
16:58:14 Yngwie: no matter what the demo is for, the government will suppress it. in Japan.
16:58:48 Tony: We only suppress those protest against govement. :-)
16:58:53 Yngwie: i c
16:58:57 Yngwie: that's bad,
16:59:05 Tony: But US, you can do any kind of demos
16:59:36 Yngwie: i guess, what China lack is democracy and 陳謝 from Japan.
16:59:47 Tony: Yes
17:00:41 Yngwie: the difficult thing is Japan don't want to say sorry directly,
17:00:51 Yngwie: but Japan is supporting China economy in many way.
17:01:20 Yngwie: i want it convince China.
17:01:39 Tony: Yes. But China don't ask war compensate after world war II
17:01:58 Tony: Which make Japan economy can recover soon.
17:02:42 Tony: That's why Japan govement give economy support to China
17:02:57 Yngwie: i c
17:03:49 Tony: China people don't hate Japan people. But we can not accept the Japan govement's activity
17:04:37 Yngwie: that's similar situation between Japan and the US
17:04:49 Tony: Yes
17:04:59 Yngwie: we never forgive the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear bombs,
17:05:05 Yngwie: but we don't hate Americans.
17:05:21 Tony: But the two countries are neighbors. China don't want another war between the two country
17:05:51 Tony: I believe the Korea people have same feeling
17:06:06 Yngwie: yeah, we asia should get tied up.
17:06:19 Tony: If Japan govement do similar things as German, i believe things we be better
17:07:06 Tony: For asia, the most important thing is tied up to develop economy
17:07:18 Yngwie: that's true
17:08:18 Yngwie: thanks a lot
17:08:31 Yngwie: things became clearer to me
17:09:13 Tony: :-) I was very busy the day(on a customer case) when things happen. So I just get information from friends
17:10:03 Yngwie: is it an unusual thing to join demos?
17:10:11 Yngwie: or does it happen frequently?
17:10:26 Yngwie: i mean , not only against Japan
17:10:35 Tony: Not frequently but some times
17:10:51 Tony: Before 1989, students like demos against govement
17:11:18 Tony: but currently, there are few such things
17:11:20 Yngwie: it's 天安門事件, right?
17:11:24 Tony: Yes
17:11:37 Yngwie: i see, but it does happen.
17:12:02 Tony: As I remember, twise
17:12:07 Tony: One is for US,
17:12:11 Tony: One is this one
17:12:50 Yngwie: it's about the bombing to the 領事館?
17:13:01 Tony: Yes
17:13:15 Tony: People destroy part of US embassy in Beijing
17:13:50 Tony: It is more mildness this time
17:13:56 Yngwie: i c
17:14:23 Yngwie: and people know they are safe during the demo, right?
17:14:30 Tony: Yes
17:14:34 Yngwie: because the police won't arrest them.
17:14:41 Tony: Right
17:15:03 Yngwie: that's very bad for public safety
17:15:17 Tony: But it is well orginized
17:15:27 Yngwie: really, how?
17:16:14 Tony: A lot of people orginzed in one place then walk to Japan embassy in line. New people join the line
17:17:29 Tony: I recieve a lot of message from different friends to invite join it that day
17:17:33 Yngwie: i c, but it's not just a demo, but it is also a riot, the news source says.
17:17:57 Tony: No, Not a riot
17:18:14 Yngwie: i heard people threw stones and glasses were broken.
17:18:42 Yngwie: did you hear that ?
17:19:07 Yngwie: or it's done by just very few crazy people?
17:19:08 Tony: No
17:19:15 Yngwie: i c
17:19:21 Tony: I think just some crazy people do it
17:19:38 Yngwie: we have different new sources,
17:19:49 Tony: Yes
17:20:02 Yngwie: and things are coming different way...
17:20:06 Tony: China media report few things on it
17:20:39 Tony: Govement don't want make it more seriously
17:20:40 Yngwie: none can realize the truth.
17:20:53 Tony: What's I got is from network
17:21:30 Yngwie: I heard that Japanese grocery store was attacked seriously.
17:21:59 Tony: Maybe it is true
17:22:21 Yngwie: the medias tend to tell only bad stories for Japan.
17:22:29 Tony: yes
17:22:39 Tony: Every country has same things
17:22:41 Yngwie: we need to know the background , truth.
17:22:47 Yngwie: yup
17:22:53 Tony: You never get real news for things
17:23:00 Yngwie: yeah
17:23:04 Tony: In USA, it is same
17:23:38 Tony: My friends in US always get two versions of news for same thing
17:23:46 Yngwie: do you mind me posting this conversation to my blog?
17:23:55 Yngwie: haha, that could happen.
17:24:19 Tony: :-) It is ok if you like
17:24:30 Yngwie: k, thx.
17:24:52 Yngwie: i want my friends to know what China people think, generally.
17:25:45 Tony: Yes. I think both govement should know other country's people's idea
17:26:07 Tony: For Chinse, we don't like war with any country
17:26:25 Tony: Because we have badly harmed by war
17:26:38 Yngwie: we think , too
17:28:13 Tony: Before, all asia country are attacked by west country. Then Japan become a strong country and then attack his neibour. And then US attack Japan and the war finished
17:28:20 Yngwie: every country should throw away their pride,
17:28:40 Tony: The only winer is US I believe
17:28:44 Yngwie: they think what is good for economical growth.
17:28:49 Tony: Yes
17:28:51 Yngwie: yea, that's true.
17:29:53 Tony: I don't like US govement because it always do things the other country don't like
17:30:47 Yngwie: yeah , and we need to obey , unfortunately.
17:31:03 Tony: Yes.
17:31:25 Tony: Only a one gient country is not a good thing for the world
17:32:00 Yngwie: oh, but plz don't have a war with US.
17:32:11 Tony: yes
17:32:11 Yngwie: in that case, Japan should support US :((
17:34:58 Tony: China will not have war with US
17:35:36 Yngwie: there's a very interesting comic book
17:35:36 Tony: Because if there is such a war, the whole world will be in a mess
17:35:49 Yngwie: it's about moon development,
17:36:02 Yngwie: US takes the leadership,
17:36:17 Yngwie: and China doesn't support the project
17:36:39 Yngwie: and China and US has a small space war secretly.
17:36:39 Tony: :-)
17:37:12 Yngwie: it sounds very realistic in some way.
17:37:42 Tony: Yes. In North Korea, China has a war with US and US lose
17:38:05 Tony: That's why there are two Korea
17:39:04 Yngwie: yeah
17:39:08 Tony: But it is difficult for China have another war with US currently because both country has nuclear weapen
17:39:35 Yngwie: it'll be the end of the world..
17:39:41 Tony: Yes
17:40:23 Tony: So althgouth there are conflict for the two country, there will be no war
17:40:43 Yngwie: I heard Japan has enough resource and technique to have nuclear weapon.
17:41:03 Yngwie: we can't do that because it is restricted by the law.
17:41:05 Tony: The only possilbe reason is Taiwan but I don't think US will join the war directly
17:41:15 Yngwie: yeah
17:41:45 Yngwie: China has very strict stance about Taiwan.
17:41:48 Yngwie: it's very bad, too.
17:45:17 Tony: Yes
17:51:36 Yngwie: thanks for the conversation.
17:51:45 Yngwie: let's keep the world peaceful;)
17:51:53 Tony: Yes. :-)

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